Running Lingo Made Simple: Explaining Common Phrases Used by Runners

Coach Hayley [00:00:00]: We do not call them running beds in, in the UK. That's like a US and, I guess, Canadian term as well. Like, we call them just, like, running numbers.

Cory Nagler [00:00:11]: So I have to interject though. Like, what if it doesn't have a number on it? Like, even if it's just your name, would you still call it a running number?

Coach Hayley [00:00:19]: I'd still call it a number. I'm sure I still call it a number. Yeah. It Doesn't really make sense, does it? I'm definitely sad before, my number has my name on it.

Cory Nagler [00:00:30]: Runners tend to have a language of their own. And even after years in the sport, sometimes I find myself stumped trying to understand everything I hear at a run club or race. We often talk about tempo runs and fartlecks. But have you heard of phrases like going to the well, doing an LSD run, or bonking? I bet at least some of these sound familiar, but it's still fun to reflect on how bizarre they must sound to non runners. I'm joined by coach Haley on today's show to translate some common running lingo. I think my favorite part though was hearing some of regional differences in this jargon in the UK, where Haley lives and trains, and then debating the proper terminology. I'll still defend to the death that the chip you pin on yourself in a race is called a racing bib, but we'll come back to that one. That's enough rambling from me, so let's get into our chat on translating common running lingo.

Cory Nagler [00:01:27]: Hello, runners, and welcome to the Run to the Top podcast, where our goal is making you a better runner with each and every episode. I'm your showrunner, Corey Nagler. And I'm not an elite runner, but together, we'll explore new strategies and topics to take your running to the next level. This podcast created and produced by the expert team of coaches at runnersconnect.net, where you can find the best running information on the Internet as well as training plans to fit every runner and every budget. Hayley, happy to have you back, and, I appreciate the suggestion on this one All things running lingo. What a great idea.

Coach Hayley [00:02:04]: Oh, I'm glad you like it. Yeah. I'm I'm excited to be back.

Cory Nagler [00:02:07]: Yeah. I'm happy to have you back. And I think this is a cool one because runners really do have a language of their own. And I think to the point where it's almost like different dialects where you can be somebody who's been running for years and still have no idea what another runner is talking about.

Coach Hayley [00:02:21]: Yeah. Definitely. And runners do have a language all of their own. And I think because I have been running since I was, like, 11, I do I have kinda got, like, indispersed so much in the running world that I really know a lot of the lingo. But, and because a lot of my friends are runners as well, and my family run, I can kinda use it all the time. But, I've recently got really into watching cycling and I've realized from kind of experiencing the cycling lingo that that must how be how people who don't run feel when they kinda talk to me and hear me talking. So I guess I have to be more mindful of talking, in a to non runners and and not saying things that they they don't have any idea what they mean. So

Cory Nagler [00:03:03]: Just before we dive into it, I'm curious because I myself have zero idea about cycling lingo. Were there were there any one or two terms that you found of particular interest?

Coach Hayley [00:03:13]: Oh, I mean, I have to think now off the top of my head, but, like, I mean, I've really gone into cycling quite recently. So even things like knowing what, like, Zwift was or, like, talking about, like, the Peloton or, like, all these different kind of rules that they have, like, you know, the kind of etiquette of cycling. Like, I've really been fascinated by it. I'm like reading some cycling autobiographies in the minute and watching loads of Tour de France and like, I think I'm enjoying watching it more than I'm watching running at the moment. So not that I'm gonna become a cyclist anytime soon. Definitely still prefer the running for myself, but it's been fun to watch.

Cory Nagler [00:03:52]: Haley, this is a running podcast. That's, like, blasphemous to say here that you're preferring it to running.

Coach Hayley [00:03:57]: Yeah. I know. Yeah. I'll close my mouth now. I mean, I still prefer to do running more, so that's okay. Right.

Cory Nagler [00:04:04]: Okay. You've cleared things out. You're still allowed to be a guest on the show now. Good. Alright. Let's get to our main topic today, which is to really uncover some of these running terms that, that might be bizarre for those who are not so interested to running that though if you're listening to this, maybe you've heard of quite a few of them. We're gonna break it down into a few different topics, just to kind of, like, categorize a little bit with the first one being training specifically. So, Eva, I'm interested to hear if you have any ideas too, but I think one of the funniest ones for me that always pops up just because the reaction on my non running friends is fartlek.

Cory Nagler [00:04:43]: Is that what you use a lot?

Coach Hayley [00:04:46]: Yeah. I mean, I do. Yeah. I really like fartlek workouts actually. I like selling them for athletes. I don't think when I set them, I kind of stick that closely to kind of the original definition of Fartlek. But, yeah, I really like them as a workout. So I do I do use them a lot and say that word a lot.

Coach Hayley [00:05:06]: And I think I've been running so long that and been doing Fartlek so long so long that that word has has lost its effect on me a bit. But, yeah, it's it's a it's quite a good word, isn't it? A very fun word.

Cory Nagler [00:05:20]: It it is a fun word, but for those who haven't heard of it, do you wanna give us a little definition or how you interpret a forklift workout?

Coach Hayley [00:05:27]: Yeah. So how I interpret it is a workout where you would, after a warm up, you sort of run continuously, but kind of vary up the paces. So I think the kind of original fart, like, is meant to be kind of unstructured. So, like, you kinda go for a run and then you might, like, throw in you decide to throw in, like, a a 90 second burst of faster running, and then you go back to easy running for a bit, and then you throw in, like, a burst of faster running to the next lamppost and kinda do it as you feel on the run. I mean, for me, who has quite a kind of I like kind of order and structure, that kind doing that kind of workout kind of is like my hell. So I never do that kind of unstructured workout, and I never set that kind of unstructured workout. So when I, set a FarLCC as a workout, it's more like a a time based continuous run where the pace kind of varies. So, some FarLug workouts I really like, which probably don't follow the real original definition of FarLug would be something like 3 sets of 3 minute, 2 minute, 1 minute.

Coach Hayley [00:06:37]: And in between, the, you know, the 3 minute, 2 minutes, and 1 minute, they're hard. And then in between that, you've got, like, some rest of, like, 60 seconds and then 3 minutes between sets, which is, of course, very structured and very regimented and, not the kind of original definition of fartlek. But, I think, runners connect kinda uses the more structured fartleks like that. Like, something like, you know, 15 times a minute hard, minute easy. So I accept the definition of just a sort of continuous run where the pace is varied, and it can be structured, for me, and it can also be unstructured. But, I don't know. The kind of original definition of just running continuously and, like, throwing in bursts and throwing in efforts kind of, like, fills me with dread because I don't like that kind of unstructured thing.

Cory Nagler [00:07:30]: Yeah. And I think it's an interesting one because everyone interprets it so differently. We've brought this up on the show before, but the the definition actually comes from a a Swedish word, which I believe means speed play. But, personally, my definition of a Fartlek always has to do with, as as you said, a continuous run. But I always think of it as having, like, varying lengths of, paces and time durations where you're picking it up. But as you said, even at runners connect, we prescribe these 1 minute workouts, which are maybe a little bit more structured. So, may maybe that's why it's so hard for people to come up with a clear definition.

Coach Hayley [00:08:09]: Yeah. I actually think, when I was younger and, like, in a kid's running group, we had a coach. He was quite, like, old school. And we would just kind of jog continuously around a field, and he would just, like, blow the whistle sometimes and, like, blow like, so we would go faster and then blow it again when we got to, like, slow down again. Like, so that was kind of unstructured. I don't know if he had a structure. It seemed kind of random. But, I do remember doing that, and that is probably closer to the kind of real original definition of Bartlek, but I'm not sure I really enjoyed it.

Coach Hayley [00:08:40]: I mean, it was kinda like just start running and you don't know how long it's gonna be before he, blows the whistle and allows you to slow down. Yeah. He was quite a quite a character and he had a lot of kinda old school techniques like that, but I don't really set workouts like that anymore.

Cory Nagler [00:08:57]: Yeah. I think that's a fun one. I know, it's really popular to, in a lot of North American schools, but especially in in Africa when they're training to do what's called diagonals. So essentially, they just you get on, like, a a football or soccer field or something, and you jog easy on the straights, and then you run across on the diagonal, which is kind of, I guess, a a Fertilek workout of sorts just because you're varying the speed a little bit.

Coach Hayley [00:09:19]: Yeah. Yeah. Like, I've heard of that kind of thing as well. I think, one funny thing that happened when we did this workout in, like, my kids group when, when this, like, old coach used to blow his whistle is that once he kind of blow the whistle, Russell slowed down. And then I think what happened was some footballers who were playing on, like, a nearby football pitch must have had their coach blow a whistle. And we just started running again, but it wasn't actually him. It was which is it was the, the football team. So we were, like, we've just stopped and we're going again.

Coach Hayley [00:09:54]: And we're like, kinda dead on our feet kind of thing, but it wasn't him. He probably enjoyed that though, because he kinda he kinda found it quite funny to, like, see it see us suffer. So

Cory Nagler [00:10:06]: that would definitely mess with your head a little bit. Alright. I I I have no Haley, do do you have any fun, training, either lingo or or topics or anything that you wanna bring up?

Coach Hayley [00:10:18]: Yeah. I think, like, one, at the time that is a bit like Fartlek and that people use it in different ways is a tempo run. Right? Like, I've had a lot of coaches through my kind of 20 plus years of running, and they have used tempo run kind of in a different way, to me. And I think this is what one of my kind of earlier coaches taught me. It's like, it's a pace that you could, in theory, keep up for around an hour. A pace that's kind of around your your lactate threshold. So what that basically means without going into, like, the science of of lactates and things is, just the pace that is kinda comfortably hard. So, you know, you're on that kind of edge of where if you went a bit faster, you'd probably start to slow down quite rapidly, but you could kinda hold this pace for about an hour.

Coach Hayley [00:11:16]: And and so you wouldn't do an hour at a time because that'd be kind of a flat out, workout. You do kind of 20 to 30 minutes of that kinda controlled but sustainable running. And that was what most of my coaches have used as a kind of, tempo run workout, like, 3, 4 miles at this 1 hour race pace, kind of comfortably hard pace. But I've since had coaches that have used it as, like, in different ways in that they have, like, longer runs at what they call tempos, like, 30 k tempo, which is obviously not a pace you can hold for an hour. So I think when I use it, I'm I mean just a kind of controlled, hard but sustainable run that you can sustain for the time period that it's set without kind of going all out or pushing really hard and you're still in control and comfortable. But I think many coaches kinda use different definitions for that. How do you, see a tempo run, Corey? What do you what do you define the tempo run as? Or your coaches define a tempo run as?

Cory Nagler [00:12:23]: Yeah. My coach tends to prescribe it more as the classic kind of lactic threshold pace or or just below that. So, as you kinda said, that pace you could sustain for an hour. So we like doing often kind of broken sets where you'll maybe do, like, anywhere from 25 to 45 minutes, but broken up where you have, like, a recovery jog. So that could be something like a, you know, 6 by 6 minutes, or I think I actually had, like, a a 5 by 6 minute tempo recently. But I totally agree in terms of the different usage where I'll see people post on Strava. You know, I went for a a 90 minute tempo run. And, of course, people use it that way.

Cory Nagler [00:13:01]: I think it can mean that that too. And, you know, there's, there's an aerobic threshold too, which is more so what you can hold for, 2 to 3 hours. So it, it, it, I guess it really depends how you wanna interpret it a little a little kinda like Furtlich.

Coach Hayley [00:13:14]: Yeah. And your, interval, threshold workout sounded a lot like what I did with the coach that I sort of had for the for the longest time when I was doing my, most of my marathons. The 5 by 6 minutes with the break. And I really like doing tempo runs like that. It just makes it feel a lot more manageable. I think when you have the kind of 4 miles straight off or 30 minutes straight off or something, it just feels quite daunting. Whereas when you break it up into intervals like that, it's kind of it feels nicer and and kind of more manageable and more fun, I think.

Cory Nagler [00:13:48]: I I think so too. And and the other thing I find, that that will that I'll do during a build up that makes it more digestible is to kinda, like, build up the length of those tempos. So you're not actually running it faster, you're just holding that pace for longer. And I find when you're not at fit, it's a little bit more manageable to deal with not being able to do it as long versus, like, trying to get in that volume and just, like, being way off the paces you wanna hit.

Coach Hayley [00:14:12]: Yeah. Absolutely. I think just yeah. From a training perspective, it just makes so much sense to kind of start with with more manageable blocks of tempo and then kind of build up the perhaps more continuous tempo running as you get closer to your goal race. It's just from a psychological and kind of physiological perspective, it just makes sense. So I think most coaches that have had done something along those lines. And I now I coach myself. I try to try to do that as well when I actually do tempo workouts now, which isn't so so often.

Cory Nagler [00:14:48]: Yep. I'm glad I have the, Coach Haley stamp of approval on, on the 5 by 6 minute workout. So I think, that's maybe a good point to kinda move on to our next category, which I wanna get into more racing terms now that we've done some of the training topics. And the the first one I wanna start with is one that I know, Haley, that you've commented on, which is, running bibs. And I think this is one almost all of our listeners will have heard of, but maybe sounds a little bit weirder if you're not in the running world.

Coach Hayley [00:15:16]: Yeah. I mean, it sounds weird to me because we do not call them running bibs in, in the UK. That's like a US and, I guess, Canadian term as well. Like, we call them just like, running numbers. A bip is kind of a a like yeah. It doesn't it means something different here. So,

Cory Nagler [00:15:37]: So I I have to interject though. Like, what if it doesn't have a number on it? Like, even if it's just your name, would you still call it a running number?

Coach Hayley [00:15:44]: That's a good point. Yeah. Like, what would I call it then? I think we do just say, like, yeah. Like, I'm pretty sure, like, because I've done some races where I've had my name. And I'm pretty sure I remember saying to you to my husband, oh, my running number has my name on it. So, yeah. I didn't really think how weird that was before. Like, I'd still call it a number.

Coach Hayley [00:16:05]: I'm sure I still call it a number. Yeah. It doesn't really make sense, does it? I'm definitely sad before. My number has my name on it.

Cory Nagler [00:16:15]: Soap is our I mean, BIP is weird too because, of course, if you're not a runner, you probably think of, like, a little thing that you put on yourself when

Coach Hayley [00:16:22]: you eat. So Yeah. Yeah. Like, babies have bibs. Right? Like, that's exactly what I think of when I think of bib. Like, not something that gets, like, pinned on you. Like, running numbers are just weird anyway. Right? Because, like, these elite people who are getting, you know, when you get to, like, the professional levels and they getting, like, paid to run, they still got, like, little pins and they're pinning numbers on themselves just like the rest of us.

Coach Hayley [00:16:45]: I mean, bits, not numbers. Because they've got their name on them. Right? So we can't call them numbers.

Cory Nagler [00:16:51]: Well, apparently, you can. You are saying in the UK even if it doesn't. Right?

Coach Hayley [00:16:54]: Yes. I'm sure. Like, I guess it doesn't really come up that often, but, like, I'm sure the times that I have had my name on it, which doesn't really happen that often. I'm sure it's more commonly number, but I I have had my name on it before. Yeah. We just call it a number.

Cory Nagler [00:17:12]: This is this is educational. I'm I'm learning here alongside our listeners.

Coach Hayley [00:17:17]: Yeah. I'm learning things that I that I did that I didn't even know that I did, which make absolutely no sense.

Cory Nagler [00:17:24]: Alright. Do you wanna take the next one?

Coach Hayley [00:17:27]: Yes. So, another one that is also a bit, weird to me is, like, when you have, like, you have, like, a starting choral. Am I saying that right? Because I've literally only ever said it written down. So tell me how to say it.

Cory Nagler [00:17:43]: So we we usually call it a chorale, but, yeah, it is an unusual one.

Coach Hayley [00:17:49]: Yeah. We have not call it that at all, like, because, you know, because we're I'm doing it, like, online at Runner's Connect. I only see it written down. I don't think I've had that word spoken. I mean, I think is it like were, like, horses going as well? Like Yeah. The horses going corrals?

Cory Nagler [00:18:07]: That's exactly it. Like, when I first thought or when I first got into running and I heard corral, that's what I was thinking of is, like, the they have those, like, pens or whatever that horses go in before they start. But it's it's similar for runners where they kind of have you, like, you know, in larger races for anyone who's who's run, like, world majors or or marathon with a lot of people, you'll have, like, rope or some kind of divider based on your pace. So you are kinda, like, pinned off into people who are in theory, like, at similar speed to you.

Coach Hayley [00:18:35]: It absolutely makes sense, doesn't it? Like, we're like horses in our in our start pens. And yeah, we would call it like a pen, which I guess is well, a pen or a wave, I guess. So, like, a start pen would be, like, how it's divided up. So kind of more like the chorale. And then, the wave is like, I guess, there might be when you're starting at different times, Mike. So, I like big races like London. There might be like a blue wave that starts with, like, 10, and then a red wave that starts with, like, 10, 15. Like, I'm totally making these up, but, like, yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:19:10]: So, like, I guess a wave is, like, a bit different because it's more about the start time. And then do you call it a wave as well? Like, when there's, like, staggered starts and you got, you know, different speeds of runners are going on, like, different times?

Cory Nagler [00:19:26]: So this is the weird thing. Like, I've had races that use it interchangeably where they'll either call it a corral or a wave. But then you get to some of the majors, like, at at Boston, there were so many people that they had, like I think they had waves, and then within the waves that were there were corrals, and that threw me for a complete loop because I usually use them interchangeably.

Coach Hayley [00:19:47]: Yeah. No. I I think here in the UK, it's more like a wave. It's more like the start time. And then there's probably, like, pens within that. I mean

Cory Nagler [00:19:56]: I don't think we use the term lens here. That's interesting.

Coach Hayley [00:19:59]: Yeah. I don't know. I think maybe that's I think wave is probably I'm just trying to think whether we use, like, wave when it like you said, like, interchangeably when it's all kind of, you know, cordoned off. Like yeah. I don't know. I guess we have different starts more like. So like, I've definitely been to big races before where there's like a blue star and they might they always use colors. Why do they always use colors? And they're, like, starting somewhere else maybe, and then there's, like, a red star starting somewhere else in, like, a different pen.

Coach Hayley [00:20:35]: And then maybe they all kinda come and merge later on. So, like, I guess, just different starts. Like, oh, it's weird. Like, not only the differences in kind of different I mean, I guess, like, because these big marathons, they're all, like, international anyway. Like, runners are coming from, like, all over the world to see them. So I guess it kinda might cause confusion with I guess it's kind of, you know, you can you can think it through. But, yeah.

Cory Nagler [00:21:06]: You can think it through. But my rule of thumb at these things is just follow the crowds or ask for directions when you're not sure because I I still find it confusing.

Coach Hayley [00:21:15]: Yeah. Yeah. Like, so many people, you know, and you're, like, trying to sometimes you're trying to, like, fight your way through and yeah. Just follow follow other people. Like, I always look at people's, kind of a number even if it's got the name on it. Because often a race is, you know, your number might be color coded based on your start wave. So then, oh, that person's got a red number like me, I'm gonna follow them. Like that's probably the the safest way to do it and and not get lost or miss your start.

Coach Hayley [00:21:44]: Sorry.

Cory Nagler [00:21:46]: Yeah. I would follow that advice. The the other piece you can do that maybe works a little bit better, at smaller races is I another term I wanted to bring up is, pace bunnies or or rabbits, which is, of course, most of you will know, you you'll often have it at races, people who are volunteering to run it at specific paces. So if if you know you're going for a certain pace, you can kinda find that pace bunny that that's nearby to you. But, but but this is one that I I still personally have a hard time wrapping my head around because, why why a bunny? Why not any other number of animals you could use to describe them?

Coach Hayley [00:22:22]: Yeah. Yeah. Like yeah. It doesn't really make sense, does it? A rabbit's known for their, like, ability to run at certain paces. I don't know. I guess is it something to do with like, I don't know. I was thinking maybe, like, historic, like, did they in terms of, like, hunting or something, but I don't actually have a clue. So maybe I shouldn't go there because I'll just probably make something up that isn't correct.

Coach Hayley [00:22:47]: Yeah. So I think we mostly just called them Pacers anyway in the UK, you know, like, which is not as fun or exciting really and much rather follow a rabbit. Do I not wear bunny ears? Oh, no. It'd be cool if they did though.

Cory Nagler [00:23:05]: You're missing out.

Coach Hayley [00:23:06]: I mean, they already they already have to run with, like, you know, sometimes, like, giant flags and stuff. Right? So put some ears on them. It's not gonna add much.

Cory Nagler [00:23:15]: That's that's what you get here a lot of the time. You get, like, you'll have the tall ears and then they'll be holding up the sign the whole time. Honestly, I think it's impressive to be able to do that while you run. Yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:23:25]: Oh my God. I, yeah, I've never seen that before. That would be quite impressive. I mean, why don't they just go the whole way and like dress as a bunny or something? It'll make them really, like, you know, you'd be easy to spot them. So

Cory Nagler [00:23:37]: It it would be.

Coach Hayley [00:23:37]: Maybe this is a North American thing. I yeah. I don't think I've ever seen that, but I definitely have seen paces running with, like, at some pretty fast paces with, like, some pretty big signs, and it was thought, like, that's impressive. Like, the sub 3 hour guy is, like, this massive flag attached to it. And I'm like, sub 3 is pretty tricky anyway, and you're doing it with that flag. Like, what if it's windy, you know, you're just gonna, like, blow straight over. Yeah. I guess they choose people who can really run, like, 2:30, and then 3 hours is, like, okay for them with a flag, I guess.

Cory Nagler [00:24:16]: Yeah. I think that's generally the requirement is you have to be able to run a little bit faster just so they're confident you can hold the pace, especially, you know, if it's a hot day or if you have to be holding a sign the whole time.

Coach Hayley [00:24:27]: Have you ever been a pacer?

Cory Nagler [00:24:31]: I'm trying to think. I have, like, informally paced people at races, but I don't think I've actually ever volunteered and, like, gotten the outfit and held a sign.

Coach Hayley [00:24:42]: Yeah. Same. Like, I've done it well. I've tried to like, I paid my mom a half marathon before I paid my sister 205 k. So generally family, they're the only people who trust me to do it, but I really would like to do it. And, like, you know, an actual big race, like, I think it'd be really cool. I like, I sort of informally did it a race before, because I I traveled this race with my husband, and I was actually a bit sick. Like, not sick enough not to run, but like I had a pretty nasty cold.

Coach Hayley [00:25:10]: So I just decided to run at, like, I think it was a half and I just decided to run around at like 90 minutes. But I guess quite a few people figured out what that I was going exactly the pace they wanted in quite a like metronomic way, and I ended up with this big group following me. So I guess I've been like an informal pacer.

Cory Nagler [00:25:29]: It's awesome. I I I don't know how the logistics would work for this, but I think it would be fun if we had, like, an RC group where we did, like, the b q's for different age groups and genders.

Coach Hayley [00:25:39]: Yes. That would be very cool. Like, each, like, team member could do, like, a different time. Yeah. I don't know what my road times would be at the moment, so I just have to hope for the best to something that I think I'd be capable of running.

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Cory Nagler [00:28:17]: Plus, runners connect fans will automatically save 20% on any purchase. Okay. Let's go to personal best because I think this is a contentious one, and it's a fun one to start. So right off the bat, what do you call it, Haley? Is it a PB or a PR?

Coach Hayley [00:28:39]: It's always been a PB for me. But, like, I have been working at Runners Connect so long that I do sometimes find myself saying PR. It's they you know, I've always thought of it as a PB for myself. I'd always say I've got a PB. But now when I'm talking to other people, I do find myself saying PR because I have coached to run this connect for so long, and, so many people say PR there. So I think that's one where I always know what people mean even if it's not necessarily the one that I use.

Cory Nagler [00:29:12]: Yeah. And just to take one step back again and, define our terms here, PB is personal best, PR is personal record, essentially mean very similar things. Hey. I'm with you. I use PB. But I used to think this was totally just individualistic, but I actually dug up an article that a colleague of mine, a Canadian running wrote. And, apparently, it is the norm in the US to use the term PR, and it's more common in, in Canada and the UK to use the term PB.

Coach Hayley [00:29:39]: I realized that about the US when I started working for Runners Connect. Like, I'd never really heard anyone say PR before that. My first experiences of hearing the word PR were when I started working at Runners Connect, like, yeah, in the UK, everyone just says PB. That's that's interesting. Like, yeah.

Cory Nagler [00:29:57]: Yeah. It's not only interesting, but it it is controversial. I I can't remember any good ones offhand to quote, but there's a lot of pros who have weighed in on this on Twitter. So if you wanna look into that, for those of you listening, you might find some interesting comments from, from runners ranging from all distances.

Coach Hayley [00:30:13]: Oh, cool. I didn't know it was such a debate. I mean, I didn't think it was that, like, contentious. I generally just accept it, you know, whichever one the person I'm talking to uses, I'll just use that. Like, I didn't realize there were so many people who had, like, a strong opinion on that one. I'm definitely gonna look up these these Twitter conversations.

Cory Nagler [00:30:31]: Yeah. People get pretty riled up over it. Haley, is there another another acronym or or racing, racing lingo term that you wanted to bring up?

Coach Hayley [00:30:41]: Yeah. A lot of, a lot of runners, we coach and runners connect, go for a BQ. So a time to qualify for Boston. It's not something you hear so much in the UK because people are more about the London marathon. So that's like a a good for age. I've never really feared. No. I've never had anyone call it like a GFA.

Coach Hayley [00:31:03]: Like, so maybe we don't acronym that one. It was just like a good for age. People just say good for age. So I guess that's kind of the UK equivalent of a BQ. But I know a BQ is kind of pretty important to a lot of people. Like, it's a pretty big thing to do Boston, the Boston marathon, as it's a pretty big thing to do the London marathon here in the UK. And, I don't know if it's the same for Boston. I think it might be, but it's generally getting harder and harder to get into the London marathon.

Coach Hayley [00:31:40]: So getting a good for age or a BQ is is a pretty big aim for a lot of people and, like, pretty impressive. Otherwise, I think it's like the ballot, which I recently had the odds for the London marathon ballot, and I can't remember off the top of my head, but it was like pretty crazy, like, very small chance of getting in that way. So it's pretty special if you if you qualify by time.

Cory Nagler [00:32:08]: Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that good for age is not specific to the London marathon. Is it?

Coach Hayley [00:32:15]: I mean, I imagine that it's probably not because it's quite a generic term, I guess. I suppose just trying to think if I've heard of other marathons. I'm sure I probably have. Like, so people always talk about good for age for London, but I'm sure it does apply to other marathons. So definitely not, like, London specific. I'm sure. Like, I don't know if, like, Berlin and that has good rage as well or, like, whether they call it something else. But, yeah, not London specific, but that's what that's what they call it.

Coach Hayley [00:32:54]: Like, it'd be cool if they had something like LQ or I don't know. Something more London kind of specific to to go with. But, I guess in in the UK, people say that, other runners will assume they're talking about London.

Cory Nagler [00:33:10]: Yeah. Definitely. The I think the only other race I heard it at was, Edinburgh at one point. I was looking at, and training they also had a a good for age. But, maybe this is why they they don't do LQ. But I I believe the good for age is only relevant if you're a UK resident. Like, I don't think for myself or for an American that you can actually get into London that way.

Coach Hayley [00:33:33]: Yeah. I think you're right. It is just it is just UK resident. Like and is there any time, like because we have championship in the London marathon as well. So, like, if you're like a good club you run for a club and you're pretty good, then you might be aiming for, like, a a championship standard. So I guess that refers to being, like, the British championships. So, it's quite tough, though. It's quite a hard time, like, I think.

Coach Hayley [00:34:02]: Yeah. I don't even know what it is. I was trying to think, but, you get championship entries, which aren't, like, age specific. They're just a time that I I think is about, like, 305 for women, maybe. I could be wrong, so maybe I shouldn't even try and guess. Because to be honest, it's been a while since I've looked, because I used to look all the time when I was doing, like, road running. But now I I've stopped looking, but I'm sure it's probably just got faster and faster as every everyone's got faster and faster. But, so you have the championship times as well, which, again, that might be actually London specific.

Coach Hayley [00:34:37]: But if someone said to me, I'm trying to get a championship time, I probably know they were referring to to London. But I guess then the only way if you aren't UK based to get into London is to enter the ballot, which is kind of harsh. Or like a charity place.

Cory Nagler [00:34:51]: There's a charity program. Yeah. Or or you could be, like Sarah Hall or Ali Kipchoge, and get in as a as a real professional. But for most of us Yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:35:00]: Yeah. Like, elite entries as well. I find that quite cool about London that they have, like, elite entries, and then they also have championship entries. Because to me, I've never been in the elite of London. The stats are pretty high, but, when I was running my best, I would get the championship time. And when you're in the championship start, it feels kinda, like, a little bit elite. Like, so I think it's kind of special that people who aren't, like, you know, super, super fast, like Sarah Hall and etcetera can still have that, like, mini elite experience. I was used to think that was pretty cool and inspiring too.

Coach Hayley [00:35:36]: I don't know if there's, like, an equivalent at Boston as well.

Cory Nagler [00:35:40]: So not at Boston, but, they are introducing for 2025 a sub elite program at Chicago. So maybe other majors will follow

Coach Hayley [00:35:50]: suit. Oh, cool. Yeah. I think it's like a really, like, inspirational thing because you just get, like, a little bit of special treatment, like, you know, at London, the queues for the the toilets are, like, so long. But then when you go to the championship start, even though it's not the elite, you still kinda basically could have your own toilet if you wanted. And because there's not, like, queues and stuff. And then yeah, like, yeah, you don't get, like, the drinks, your own drinks and stuff, but it still feels a little bit elite. And I think it's a nice thing to have.

Coach Hayley [00:36:21]: So that's really cool that Chicago introducing, like, a sub elite, program. I didn't didn't know that, but I hope other marathons do that as well.

Cory Nagler [00:36:30]: Yeah. I do too. It'll be, interesting to see how that that plays out. One more acronym I definitely wanted to cover because it might have been the very first acronym I heard when I first started getting into running is the LSD run, which is the long slow distance run. And part of the reason this stands out to me is that slow is so relative, because you'll see people, going at these paces everything from it could be a 12 minute mile with plenty of walking, or it could be people going for a 6 mile run where they say relative to them, it it feels easy. So it to me, it's such a funny term because slow is so relative to the to the individual.

Coach Hayley [00:37:08]: Yeah. Absolutely. Like, you know, you've got got elites doing these LSD rounds of, like, 6 minute miles. That's definitely not slow, is it? Like, I guess it just I mean, I wouldn't say it's like a super popular term here in the UK. Like, I'm not sure I've heard it that much, but I definitely would know what someone meant if they said it. I think, therefore, I've gotten confused and thought it was, long Sunday distance because everyone in the UK and I don't know whether this is the same, but everyone in the UK always does their long run on Sunday. And when I was younger, it's a bit different now. I mix it up a bit more, sometimes Saturday.

Coach Hayley [00:37:47]: But, I always did my my long run on a Sunday. So for a long time, I thought it was a a long Sunday distance run. But, yeah. So a long, slow distance run, I guess it's more just a run at an easy, relaxed pace as opposed to actually being slow, slow. Because some people, it's definitely not slow, is it?

Cory Nagler [00:38:11]: No. And to to me, I think the the purpose of it is for it to be slow and relaxed. But I kinda think it's a bit of a travel flex too, to be able to say, hey. I'm not working that hard even for some people who may be posting that and really are going a little bit more than what their slow pace should be.

Coach Hayley [00:38:26]: Yeah. Like, it's an acronym that for myself and the way I coach and train just doesn't make a lot of sense because for me Mhmm. A long run date is a hard day, whether it's like slow and easy or not. I'm still classing it as one of my hard days because it's like, you know, the distance is what makes it hard. And it's not like it's kind of misleading in a way because, you know, it's not an easy day. To me, a long run day is a hard day. And I know I guess if you're training for, like, a short distance and which I have not done in a a long time disclaimer. But, I guess we are training for, like, a short distance.

Coach Hayley [00:39:01]: Like, you're training for, like, a 5 k or something. It could just be quite short, and therefore, it might be an easy day. But for, like, as long as I can remember in my training, the long run day was not an easy day. So I think, that LSD term gives me this impression that it's just, like, you know, nice and relaxing and super super easy to do it. And even if the pace is easy, it's not like a super easy day for me. So, yeah. It's like a confusing one, really.

Cory Nagler [00:39:30]: Yeah. And I I like that. Who's just saying it's not, long Sunday distance? Because I I I totally agree. I think here, Sunday is definitely the most popular day to to do these runs as well.

Coach Hayley [00:39:40]: Yeah. Like, I always do my long run on Sunday. It's totally different now because, I I work more flexibly and my husband doesn't work like a Monday to Friday. So we sometimes, run long in the week because it's a little bit less busy and, like, some of the nicer places to run. But, I still think of it as a Sunday run. I probably call it a Sunday run. It like, if it happens on a, like, a Friday or Wednesday, I would just still call it a Sunday run. So my my family actually, I realized this today because, as we were run, we were talking about training, and, my dad said to me, oh, so I'm still doing 8 miles for my Sunday run or something.

Coach Hayley [00:40:14]: And I'm not even sure if he does do it on a Sunday. I think he just meant his long run. So I think maybe it's quite common. I don't know.

Cory Nagler [00:40:21]: That's awesome. I I've never heard it called a Sunday run outside of Sunday,

Coach Hayley [00:40:27]: But I I think that's probably my

Cory Nagler [00:40:29]: family, I'm late. Maybe. But it it's such a fun, like, running insider thing, with the runs being typically on Sundays.

Coach Hayley [00:40:37]: Yeah. Like, if you have the term, like, the church of the Sunday long run, that just came into my head. Like, everyone thinks of it as a Sunday, but, like, it's definitely not always on a Sunday because I coach so many people who don't do it on a Sunday, and I rarely do it on a Sunday anymore. But yeah, like, people still think of it as being a Sunday thing.

Cory Nagler [00:40:59]: I I love that phrase partly because it's ironic since some of them were, religious training programs like, BYU for anyone familiar with university. They'll do the long run on Saturday because they don't run on Sundays since it's the day you go to church. So I find it funny that people do call it the church

Coach Hayley [00:41:15]: of the Sunday long run. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite interesting. Like, I can't remember where I first heard that, but I've definitely heard it a lot. Yeah. I guess it it's kinda like, well, if it's a Sunday, you should've been in the long run, but, I do know why I do anymore. I think I because I'd spent so long, so many years doing my long run on a Sunday.

Coach Hayley [00:41:32]: I think I always feel like I should be doing my long run on a Sunday. I definitely still have that kind of I don't know. I feel like it's a good way to end a week, and then I have my rest on Monday. So it kinda works well, but I never do it on a Sunday.

Cory Nagler [00:41:48]: I'm I'm definitely guilty. We're, recording this, I guess, little later for you. But for me, it's kinda midday on a Sunday, and I'm just coming from my long run. So definitely a thank you.

Coach Hayley [00:41:57]: You did you did do the charge for the Sunday long run then.

Cory Nagler [00:42:00]: Yeah. I've I've checked the box.

Coach Hayley [00:42:03]: Yeah. I've done a run, so it was longish.

Cory Nagler [00:42:08]: I I think that still counts.

Coach Hayley [00:42:09]: Yeah. Yeah. Like it was still a Sunday run.

Cory Nagler [00:42:12]: Definitely. Okay. I think, I'm gonna transition us to our last topic, which I am going to dub funny phrases. But this is really the the miscellaneous category, I think, for any of the ones that don't fit into the other groups. And, Hailey, I know for a fact you had some interesting ones to throw in here, so I'm I'm giving you first dibs.

Coach Hayley [00:42:29]: Yeah. Okay. Where shall I start? I think there's so many funny running phrases. Isn't that like, if you said them to someone who wasn't a runner, they'd just be like, what? I guess it's the case for, like, every kind of hobby and things. But, yeah, let's start with go to the well because that's kind of kind of weird. Like, I don't really, I guess if you think about it, you might sort of think about it historically, you know, like, when people got water from the well and that was hard or something? Is that where it comes from? I don't know. But let's let's go back to where, what it means because that's hopefully, I'm not confusing people more. But so going to the well to me just means like, leaving it all out there in a in a workout, a hard workout.

Coach Hayley [00:43:14]: You know, you're really pushing yourself really hard. So at the end of the workout, you've got nothing less. You're maybe, like, lying on the track. Like, maybe me as, like, a a child, like, throwing up on the track or something. You know, you really left it all out there. And and, I've heard the phrase, like, seen God as well. Like, you know, just when you're really, really hurting, you put everything into your hard workouts. So yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:43:40]: Like, I've definitely had it go called a lot of different things. Go to the well being one of them. See God. See your ancestors. Like, I've had some weird things. Like, I'm guessing it means the same thing for you.

Cory Nagler [00:43:54]: Now we use the term go to the well a lot. I haven't heard so much seeing god. I've heard too, like, burning all your matches, like you don't have any energy left kind of thing.

Coach Hayley [00:44:05]: Yeah. I think I've heard that. I think the most popular ones in the UK is probably Go to the Well. I think I've heard Seeing God from, like, some runners of, like, the eighties or something. Like, I read some autobiographies of some, like, you know, like the famous eighties runners of the UK, and they use that term. So maybe that's a bit more like, old fashioned. Go to the well is the new fun version. But, yeah, I think I think it's pretty easy to, understand what that one means if you're not a runner, I think.

Coach Hayley [00:44:39]: Because I it probably means, like, similar if you just use it. Like, I don't know. I don't know if he was to use it in in another context whether it means similar. But,

Cory Nagler [00:44:50]: I I think it does mean something similar in other context. At least, I I'm sure that it's been used in other sports. And I think the same goes for the opposite of going to the well, which is the term sandbagging, which is to kinda, like, not give it your all. I find it used in running more than anything else, but I I think and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think people do use that term outside of an athletic context as well.

Coach Hayley [00:45:15]: Yeah. I mean, I I have heard that so much before, you know, before we thought about it for this podcast. I haven't actually heard many people say it. Like, I actually looked it up to check, what it meant. So I guess maybe, again, it's something that in the UK, we don't use as much. But yeah. Like, so so am I right that it means, like, when you deliberately go slower than your potential? So, like, I don't know why you would do it. So, like, you know, just because you really didn't feel like giving effort that day or, like, in a hard workout, you kinda wanted to, you know, to not, like, show your true fitness or something?

Cory Nagler [00:45:58]: Yeah. That it's generally used as somebody who's, like, deliberately holding back. I don't hear people referring to, like, you know, an intentionally easy run to sandbaking. Usually, it's like you run a workout or a race, and you kinda, like, don't really go all out.

Coach Hayley [00:46:12]: Yeah. Okay. So yeah. I'm not sure I've had the term soundbagging. Like so I remember, like, again, when we had this, like, eccentric coach as, like, a teenager and, like, me and our, like, group of girls in the running group, we would we would have something called positions where because we didn't want to push ourselves in the workout because I think we were just lazy. I mean, I think I was kind of against this strategy, but but like, because I was kind of a perfectionist, but they were really all for it and they were older than me, so I kind of went with it. But when they said positions, this just means that we would finish the rep in the positions we would normally have finished so that our coach thought we were, like, pushing it hard. So that's kinda similar, but we did not call it sandbagging.

Coach Hayley [00:47:00]: And I've not heard that term much, but definitely seen it done. And I actually I've had one of the most recent times I heard it was on, a podcast with an American elite manor. So maybe it is quite a, like, US, North American thing.

Cory Nagler [00:47:20]: Could be. But I I'd say what you described probably goes a step beyond sandbagging. Usually, I think of that as being, like, an individual sandbagging. Sounds like your team was almost, like, colluding to not go all out of their workout.

Coach Hayley [00:47:31]: Yeah. Like, it was it's such a weird situation because I actually did really wanna train hard. But, like, you know, when you're young and you just want, like, you give in to peer pressure. I was just I remember even now thinking I think it was, like, 14 or something. And I remember that I really wanted to fit in with these cool older girls in my training group, but, I also really wanted to train hard. So it was such a, like, mental argument with myself. Do I do this, like, what they call possessions and, like, fit in with the crowd? Or do I actually push myself in this workout? I can't remember what I what I decided in the end. But, yeah, that probably goes a step beyond sandbagging.

Cory Nagler [00:48:10]: I think once you get older, you realize that dropping people and running fast is a lot more fun.

Coach Hayley [00:48:14]: Oh, yeah. I think I'm the only one still running, so I must have been doing something right.

Cory Nagler [00:48:21]: Clearly. Okay. I'm, I'm gonna add one more because this is one of my personal favorites. But have you heard the term runger before?

Coach Hayley [00:48:28]: Yeah. Like, rungry, runger. Definitely. Like, I think food related stuff, if you just put an r on it, it can become, like, running specific. Like, ranch is like going for a run at lunchtime. Right? And like, ranga or rangri is just like the hunger you get when you've been doing a lot of training. Yeah. I've definitely had that one.

Coach Hayley [00:48:49]: Definitely use kind of a lot of variations on that in the UK and, yeah, definitely experienced it. So there's nothing quite like it, really. I think, like, you know, when you come back from a long run and you're just like, I could eat, like, all the food right now.

Cory Nagler [00:49:02]: And I love ranch because that's that's like a classic after your Sunday long run too is to, like, go out and and grab lunch, or or or brunch, I guess. But I've I don't hear it called brunch often, but I might start using that.

Coach Hayley [00:49:15]: So I think people I I've heard say it actually, maybe they use it like that sometimes, but maybe also so it's quite common to, like, go for a run on your lunch break here. So maybe in that case, it doesn't actually involve eating food. It's more like using a lunch break to do a run. So instead of a lunch, you have a ranch. Yeah. Maybe that was quite a specific thing, you know, around kind of where I used to work and that sort of job I used to do because it was quite like a more office space where people would only go for running their lunch. But, yeah, running running hungry kind of work well to get back. Yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:49:52]: Running courses seem to be super hungry. So

Cory Nagler [00:49:56]: I I I wouldn't have thought that it would be like the lunch break, but that makes, makes sense too to be, like I guess it's if you're using your lunch break for your run. Is that right?

Coach Hayley [00:50:04]: Yeah. Like, I used to do that quite a lot. Just go for, like because you kind of eat your sandwiches at your desk anyway. Right? So I used to use, like, the hour lunch to go for a run and then just eat my lunch while I was working. Like, I think that's quite common to do in, like, office based jobs. So I think that's where that that term come from. But I think it's a hard one because I think now, maybe I do more training or whatever, but now I just be like, I'm too hungry. I'd rather have lunch than go for a run.

Coach Hayley [00:50:31]: Also, now I do ultras. I'll probably be like, I'll eat my lunch and then go for a run straight after. Definitely couldn't have done that then, like, when I used to do lunch break runs. So

Cory Nagler [00:50:42]: Or Or maybe with all the ultra running, you can multitask and basically eat lunch on the run because I

Coach Hayley [00:50:46]: I think that's part of it.

Cory Nagler [00:50:47]: Right? Essentially training your gut?

Coach Hayley [00:50:49]: Oh, yeah. Like, I think ultra running's just like having lunch while you're running, so it would have been perfect training.

Cory Nagler [00:50:56]: Perfect. I love it. Okay. I I want to, relatively soon start wrapping up, but let let's get in 1 or 2 more. Are there are there any others that you're dying to make sure we cover?

Coach Hayley [00:51:06]: Yeah. I guess, like, you know, bonking, like, in terms of I think mostly used in terms of, like, running the marathon when you kinda would you say it's, like, interchangeable with hitting the wall? I think maybe in the UK, we say, like, hitting the wall more. Is that, like, a UK thing or is that, like, have you had hitting the wall?

Cory Nagler [00:51:28]: I've heard hitting the wall a lot. I will say and you can let me know how you tend to use it. I tend to think of walking as being, like, specifically, like, any time that or specifically related to, like, nutrition when you've run out of fuel, whereas hitting the wall is being kind of like a more general, like, you're just forced to slow down. But how do you tend to use them?

Coach Hayley [00:51:57]: No. I think I would agree with you. I think hitting the wall and bonking can be used interchangeably in the marathon. But then if you just, you know, you hadn't had enough of lunch and you went for, like, a run at, like, 4 and you found yourself, like, really low of energy, like, 4 miles in, then you might say bonking for that as well, but you probably wouldn't say hitting the wall. I agree with you that. I think, hitting the wall is quite math and specific. Whereas, bonking is when you just, like, run out of energy because you've not, like, fueled properly before or during the run. I have a lot of experience with it now, especially now I'm starting out just like, I think when I used to do the marathon distance, I used to kinda I was used to fuel quite well before, so I used to get away with it because most of my runs weren't that long.

Coach Hayley [00:52:42]: But I've done some, like, long training runs now where I have really gone down, like, so bad.

Cory Nagler [00:52:52]: Yeah. I've had that too. And honestly, maybe even more so than in races. I've I've found I've had a lot of afternoon. We're all bonk because having not run ultras and maybe not having it got trained as well as yours, I find, like, once I get past lunch, I'm always struggling with, like, I don't wanna go, like, 5, 6 hours without eating anything before the run, but I also don't wanna eat a full meal right before.

Coach Hayley [00:53:13]: I used to be like that though. Like, I have changed so much. I used to be like that and you're right. Like, doubles or, like, anything that happens in the afternoon slash evening is, like, the worst bunking. Like, evening workouts were quite common for me when I did marathon training. Like, we had a club, a kind of group that would meet in the evenings. And it's always hard to know how to feel for that, isn't it? Because you have your lunch and then you're like, well, what can I eat in the afternoon that isn't gonna make me feel sick? Because, you know, we're doing the hard workout in the evenings. So it's like your stomach needs to be okay.

Coach Hayley [00:53:47]: And, you know, that often happen like in a grass field somewhere. So it's not like you could be like, okay, I just need to go to the bathroom because this is not like an available location. So I was always like, so like my stomach has to be okay for this. So I tried to be really safe with what I was eating, but then so many of those evening workouts, actually, I did end up thinking, really out of energy here. Like, I think I knew less about nutrition and stuff. So yeah, afternoon runs and doubles are like the worst for that sort of thing, especially when you're doing like high mileage as well. You know, it's like so hard to eat enough, like, without having had dinner, isn't it?

Cory Nagler [00:54:27]: Yeah. No. When you when you're getting even if it's not multiple runs, like, I find too even if you're just, like, getting in a run and then maybe you do a gym session later. I just feel like my body the entire day is just starving or I feel like I constantly have to be eating.

Coach Hayley [00:54:39]: Yeah. Absolutely. Like, although that has just made me think of another thing I used to do when I was a teenager training in the evening is that I and this shows that I have actually now come full circle because I'm pretty sure when I was a teenager, I used to, like, go to, like, the chip shop on the way to, like, the training, session and just, like, have basically dinner, like, chips, and then, like, go and run. And now I just yeah. I don't even think I could do that again now. Like, it's fun being a kid because then you can literally just eat anything and and go run. But, yeah. Like, it's hard to feel those those evening workouts.

Coach Hayley [00:55:15]: I know that's like a thing that a lot of our athletes struggle with because, you know, it's easier. And, actually, I guess, in the morning is kinda hard as well because unless you've got loads of time, it's hard to have breakfast. But I think you just don't feel it as much in the morning, do you? Like, if you if you go out running in the morning and you don't have enough to eat, I feel like you don't feel it as much in the evening. Is that a thing?

Cory Nagler [00:55:37]: I think so. I find, like, when I run-in the morning, I'm not so much, like, hungry right away during the run, but I kinda pay the price later if I don't feel well before a during.

Coach Hayley [00:55:46]: Yeah. Definitely. Like, so hard to work the rest of the day if you don't feel for a morning run. Right? You're just like at your desk, like, oh god. Definitely really impacts your energy levels for the rest of the day.

Cory Nagler [00:55:59]: Yeah. Good reminder for everyone to feel properly. Haley, just as we get, near the close of this, I'm kinda thinking to end off this episode, it would be fun to get into some terms that are maybe a little bit different, in Canada versus the UK and kinda rapid fire which term you usually use. How do you feel about that?

Coach Hayley [00:56:17]: Yeah. That sounds fun. Let's do it.

Cory Nagler [00:56:20]: Okay. First one I think we covered, but PR versus PB?

Coach Hayley [00:56:24]: Yeah. Definitely. Oh, PB over here.

Cory Nagler [00:56:28]: PB all the way. Couldn't agree more. Okay. The next one is porta potty versus porta loo.

Coach Hayley [00:56:34]: Definitely porta loo. I actually find porta potty quite funny for some reason. Like, I guess, again, it kinda reminds me of, like, babies because babies have potties. Like, they have bibs. So yeah. Like, it's definitely porta loo here.

Cory Nagler [00:56:48]: It strikes me as bizarre, but you know what? We we always use porta potty as the term. So I I'd have to go that

Coach Hayley [00:56:53]: way. Yeah. It's a funny time. I don't know why.

Cory Nagler [00:56:58]: It it is. Well, and and the next one's kinda connected, but it's washroom versus bathroom.

Coach Hayley [00:57:05]: Definitely bathroom. But they're both kind of silly. Right? Because the most bathrooms have I mean, unless it's in your home, the bathrooms have a bath in, you know? It's like a funny term. Definitely bathroom though.

Cory Nagler [00:57:20]: Especially if it's a porta potty or porta loo, you're definitely not finding a bath in there.

Coach Hayley [00:57:24]: No. You'd be lucky to find, like, a proper hand washing sink, to be honest. So

Cory Nagler [00:57:31]: Yeah. Okay. The last one I have here, there's 3 options, sneakers, trainers, or runners.

Coach Hayley [00:57:38]: Trainers? I don't really know what yeah. I do. I do know what a sneaker is, but it's yeah. Again, it's kind of a funny time for me because I don't really hear it. We definitely call them trainers that you run-in. Oh, I guess running shoes. So that's kinda like runners, but I'm gonna go trainers for sure.

Cory Nagler [00:57:58]: I would go trainers too. But it's it's funny for me trainers conjures up an image specifically of, like, your everyday, running shoes. Whereas for, like, racing shoes and stuff, I'd I'd just call them that. Like, I would never refer to them as trainers or sneakers.

Coach Hayley [00:58:12]: Yeah. I definitely act yeah. I do agree with you that. Like, when I just had norm when I run on the road more and I had, like, a normal pair of cushion road running shoes, they would definitely be my trainers. Now I do trail running, and I have, like, some, like, trail running shoes. I find it hard to call them trainers. Like, I probably call them, like, just a running shoe, I guess. So Yeah.

Coach Hayley [00:58:35]: I guess, like, a running shoe or a trainer, but never a sneaker. I don't yeah. I never really had the type of sneaker.

Cory Nagler [00:58:42]: Would you never call them, like, your, your trail trainers or trail runners or something along those lines?

Coach Hayley [00:58:49]: No. I don't think I've ever said that. Trail running shoe or like anything else. It's trail shoe.

Cory Nagler [00:58:56]: Trail shoe. Yeah. Sorry. I was just saying I'm clearly exposing myself on this podcast as a devoted road runner. It's pretty obvious I'm, not in the the trail running world.

Coach Hayley [00:59:07]: Yeah. I guess, I don't really know where I started doing that. It just it's just natural to say, like, trial shoe. Like, it doesn't look like a trainer to me because I think you're right. A trainer looks like something specific, like, kind of a cushion, more like more like something you'd wear every day as well. Whereas trouser shoes don't really look like something you just wear to the shop. Right? They look a bit more like, you know, serious. Well, like, I'm gonna go run into bugs now and, like, you won't see me for several hours, that sort of thing.

Coach Hayley [00:59:40]: Yeah.

Cory Nagler [00:59:40]: I could see that. I find the, the trail running shoes are always definitely a lot bulkier.

Coach Hayley [00:59:44]: Yeah.

Cory Nagler [00:59:46]: Okay. I, this this was a lot of fun. I hope for those listening that this was informative too. I know for me, it was. I think it's it's fun to talk about terms like porta loo, but there were definitely some ones I, had not, used so much, especially the difference between, like, corral and wave was good to to clear up. So, Haley, thanks for coming on, joining me and and kind of breaking down some of the more interesting running Lego out there. This was a pleasure. Thanks, Haley.

Coach Hayley [01:00:13]: Yeah. Thanks for having me. That was fun.

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